Once again
homais has an excellent post about a stupid world obsession. It's a little too long for me to read now, as I'm going home, but I did note one of his points when discussing the Pope's speech:
Reason without the divine, on the other hand, is blind and unable to even justify itself on its own terms. It's a variant on the old 'science is sterile' argument.
And I'm more inclined to think about the way that the old Reason vs. Divinity is similar to the Religion vs. Spirituality. While there are subtle differences there does seem to be a Rational vs. Irrational dichotomy going through many of our debates. Whilst it is a false dichotomy, it's a dichotomy that reaches through many of our belief systems. Most recently I heard it expressed in Crown Heights when I was told that the Misnagdim (non-Chasidic Jews) were too intent on studying to the point where they lost the "joy of Torah" and while that's utter crap, it does point to this weird way that we love our irrationalities even as we see the need for the Rational. In fact, the Rational is so important that we fight against it tooth and nail as an ideal state. Utopia is only a parody when the society is in chaos, but when there's stability then the parody of choice is Dystopia because we don't like to be in well ordered places.
So a group that emphasizes freedom and irrational is going to be more inclined to castigate its opponents with these false charges, all the while losing much of its own "freedom" in slightly more subtle ways. Yes, Christianity is more "free" than Judaism because Christians can eat pork, but Christians must also believe in Jesus and everything that Jesus says. Even ex-Christians cannot draw a parallel between Jesus and modern cult leaders like David Koresh or Charles Manson - not that Jesus = Manson but on the basis of his ministry the main proof that he is whom he says he is is pretty much the same as Manson's. Because he said so. Screw the pharisees. Jesus claimed to be this, so he is it. End of story and we can all see that he's full of peace and love and teddy bears.
And as the main target of Catholicism was Protestantism, the Pope is in an interesting position of defending doctrine and tradition in a religion that was started as a break from tradition. But how many times can one break away - and for how long? And when does it stop becoming anything like its source. I can see that as the Pope's position and I can see where Martin Luther was going with his position when he set out to purify the Church. Of course, right now I'm losing my train of thought because Martin Luther is his own creature - one of the last philosophers to use the ad hominem to great effect. After Luther, you aren't supposed to use the ad hominem. Even though one of the main examples given of the ad hominem is a priest's position on abortion or sexuality - from the basis of him being a priest and not knowing much about sex - well sex that doesn't involve altar boys.
Of course, I'm using that example because I'm not entirely pleased with it. I'm not going to ask a shilah concerning pets from a rabbi that fears cats. And there are many rabbis that fear cats. And you know I wrote that line and even I read it as a Rabbit that fears cats - which is a very rational rabbit indeed.
Anyhow I have to go home and clean my apartment. It's filthy and the cousin to the Super never showed up to clean the kitchen. She said she was going to do it for $30. And that really has to be cleaned. It's just really nice to have a maid come in and clean for me. They always do a better job of it. And it looks so great when it's done.
Oh and I guess I do appreciate order - even as I know my irrational nature will never go away. I just know that even in the most "orderly" of philosophies, there's room for my irrational nature to play - and in fact the more orderly the system of belief, the more free I feel with my irrational nature - so I suppose all those parables my Agudah Rabbi back home used to tell about Judaism being like a guy in a space shuttle or tied up to a pole so he can do his job kind of hold true.
Either way,
homais had a lot more to say about Islam, but I ran out of time.